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I'm going to give this carnival a try, though it's hard for me to express my toughts the way I'd like to in a language that's not mine. I hope I'll be able to make myself understood and that you readers won't mind the many mistakes I'll certainly make. That being said, I can move to the topic :)
I'll make a mix of both suggestions for the July and August Carnival in order to catch up with everyone else.
I guess it all started when I was a child, a schooled at the age of 2 child (I won't expand on the organization of the French educational system here, but children can go to school at the age of 2 here and even if it's meant to be fun and recreationnal and all it's still a school with everything this implies in terms of rythm etc.). I eventually left it 22 + years later, with none of the diplomas I could have had if I hadn't been crushed by the system. I actually do have a few of those useless papers saying I achieved this or that (academically speaking), but none of them are useful to my present life which is that of a mother, growing with her three children.
I became a mother almost 7 years ago now. My parents kept telling me how much my son reminded them of me as a little girl. And I too was reminded of me as a little girl : seing him live, hearing him asking all these questions, making all these connections... all that made me take some sort of trip down memory lane in which I could feel some of the things that I had just intellectually known so far : yes school had damaged me, my curiosity, but most of all, my sense of self, of who I am and what I want. I knew that I was lost at 20, that was not too hard a guess to make since I was at that age suicidal and had no desire to live (which is different from to desire to die). Being a mother and seing my son live, I could feel in my guts that school had played a huge part in how confused I was at 20. And I didn't want my son to go in such a place. Not that all teachers were going to be as bad as some of the ones I had met, but because no matter how nice and human (and whatever...) these teachers are, they too are part of a system : how could something designed to fit the majority be a perfect fit for each individual ? The way I saw things, my son would have to be torn between :
- living & learning things at his own pace at home and then having to deal with the inevitable gap between home and school and
- fitting in at school and giving up a variable portion of who he was in order to achieve that.
I could not let that happen. School was not an option, not now anyway... maybe later when it would be HIS choice, but it certainly would not be mine.
When he started to ask "what's written here ?" before he was 3, I misunderstood his question and thought he was asking me to learn how to read. I took a couple of wrong paths but it quite quickly became clear that none of us was really willing to play that "I am the teacher - you are the pupil" game. I started to let things go, or at least to try to let things go for it was not an easy thing to give up control. I started reading John Holt's books, subscribed to quite a few unschooling lists because unscholing made sense, spoke to me : I could see how such an approach would have been great for the little girl I was and how it still was great for the woman I'd become and as for my son, well this was just exactely how he was living and breathing, and learning without me interfering.... and he was happy and curious and was discovering with delights the world around him.
My heart, guts... my whole body was yelling "this is the way"... but it's not an easy thing to overcome 22 + years of schooling, a society that is not familiar with homeschooling let alone unschooling, a partner whose doubts are echoing my own fears.
It's not an easy thing but day after day I try to let it go and let my sons, and my daughter (in the meantime we were blessed with two more children) be in charge of their own lives, free to pursue their own interests. I try not to guide them but to be there, where they say and show they need me. I try to trust them, to trust myself too and I hope they won't have as hard a time to trust themselves as I have trusting myself.
It all started with the "school" question, but I guess it's like a ball of yarn : you pull the thread and realize it's longer than it seemed at first. It all started with school, but I came to realize along the road that it had to do with life in general : at the same time I was discovering unschooling, I was also expecting a second child and questioning how my son was born... all the questions I had were part of a "big whole", were part of life and I couldn't separate them anymore, at least in my head (in practice I'm still struggling to live up to what I feel and believe is true).
It kind of all comes down to a few words for me now : life, freedom, trust, joy.
And it's hard for me to live up to that ideal. But I'll keep trying, baby stepping my way...
Useful links :
How to submit a post to the carnival
UV #1
Unbridled learning : podcast
Unschooling Voices # 01 (mon annonce sur ce blog à ce sujet)
I'll make a mix of both suggestions for the July and August Carnival in order to catch up with everyone else.
I guess it all started when I was a child, a schooled at the age of 2 child (I won't expand on the organization of the French educational system here, but children can go to school at the age of 2 here and even if it's meant to be fun and recreationnal and all it's still a school with everything this implies in terms of rythm etc.). I eventually left it 22 + years later, with none of the diplomas I could have had if I hadn't been crushed by the system. I actually do have a few of those useless papers saying I achieved this or that (academically speaking), but none of them are useful to my present life which is that of a mother, growing with her three children.
I became a mother almost 7 years ago now. My parents kept telling me how much my son reminded them of me as a little girl. And I too was reminded of me as a little girl : seing him live, hearing him asking all these questions, making all these connections... all that made me take some sort of trip down memory lane in which I could feel some of the things that I had just intellectually known so far : yes school had damaged me, my curiosity, but most of all, my sense of self, of who I am and what I want. I knew that I was lost at 20, that was not too hard a guess to make since I was at that age suicidal and had no desire to live (which is different from to desire to die). Being a mother and seing my son live, I could feel in my guts that school had played a huge part in how confused I was at 20. And I didn't want my son to go in such a place. Not that all teachers were going to be as bad as some of the ones I had met, but because no matter how nice and human (and whatever...) these teachers are, they too are part of a system : how could something designed to fit the majority be a perfect fit for each individual ? The way I saw things, my son would have to be torn between :
- living & learning things at his own pace at home and then having to deal with the inevitable gap between home and school and
- fitting in at school and giving up a variable portion of who he was in order to achieve that.
I could not let that happen. School was not an option, not now anyway... maybe later when it would be HIS choice, but it certainly would not be mine.
When he started to ask "what's written here ?" before he was 3, I misunderstood his question and thought he was asking me to learn how to read. I took a couple of wrong paths but it quite quickly became clear that none of us was really willing to play that "I am the teacher - you are the pupil" game. I started to let things go, or at least to try to let things go for it was not an easy thing to give up control. I started reading John Holt's books, subscribed to quite a few unschooling lists because unscholing made sense, spoke to me : I could see how such an approach would have been great for the little girl I was and how it still was great for the woman I'd become and as for my son, well this was just exactely how he was living and breathing, and learning without me interfering.... and he was happy and curious and was discovering with delights the world around him.
My heart, guts... my whole body was yelling "this is the way"... but it's not an easy thing to overcome 22 + years of schooling, a society that is not familiar with homeschooling let alone unschooling, a partner whose doubts are echoing my own fears.
It's not an easy thing but day after day I try to let it go and let my sons, and my daughter (in the meantime we were blessed with two more children) be in charge of their own lives, free to pursue their own interests. I try not to guide them but to be there, where they say and show they need me. I try to trust them, to trust myself too and I hope they won't have as hard a time to trust themselves as I have trusting myself.
It all started with the "school" question, but I guess it's like a ball of yarn : you pull the thread and realize it's longer than it seemed at first. It all started with school, but I came to realize along the road that it had to do with life in general : at the same time I was discovering unschooling, I was also expecting a second child and questioning how my son was born... all the questions I had were part of a "big whole", were part of life and I couldn't separate them anymore, at least in my head (in practice I'm still struggling to live up to what I feel and believe is true).
It kind of all comes down to a few words for me now : life, freedom, trust, joy.
And it's hard for me to live up to that ideal. But I'll keep trying, baby stepping my way...
Useful links :
How to submit a post to the carnival
UV #1
Unbridled learning : podcast
Unschooling Voices # 01 (mon annonce sur ce blog à ce sujet)
Dim 30 jui 2006
7 commentaires
It feels so weird to read you in that language :)
{{Hugs}}}
I hope August brings you what you need and hope for...
{{Hugs}}}
I hope August brings you what you need and hope for...
Phoebe
Merci d'avoir posté ce texte, je le trouve très fort et très sincère... chaudoudoux à la jeune fille de 20 ans que tu étais. Bise
Koa
Koa - le 31/07/2006 à 12h11
Merci à toi Koa :)
Phoebe
Phoebe, I really enjoyed your blog and the following comment you made is exactly what I hope for...for myself and my child. I feel in my heart that we are doing what is best for our children. Showing them we trust them. Thank you so much for contributing. Andrea :o)
Phoebe said: "I try to trust them, to trust myself too and I hope they won't have as hard a time to trust themselves as I have trusting myself."
Andrea - le 02/08/2006 à 23h36
Thank you Andrea for your comment.
I guess it's hard to reconnect with oneself after so may years during which people knew better than you : my parents knew better than me because they were grown ups (and I lived in a house where things were explained and most of the time talked about, can't imagine what it would have been like for me if it hadn't been like that), teachers knew better... And it's hard to give what you haven't been given.
I guess it's hard to reconnect with oneself after so may years during which people knew better than you : my parents knew better than me because they were grown ups (and I lived in a house where things were explained and most of the time talked about, can't imagine what it would have been like for me if it hadn't been like that), teachers knew better... And it's hard to give what you haven't been given.
Phoebe
Tout ça est formidablement exprimé. Tout ce que tu dis là, je te l'ai déjà entendu dire, mais c'est un peu comme si tu en sortais la quintessence.
Te manquerais plus qu'un peu d'espace et l'ombre d'un tilleul pour se ressourcer au quotidien quand le besoin s'en fait sentir... mais ils viendront à toi !
Te manquerais plus qu'un peu d'espace et l'ombre d'un tilleul pour se ressourcer au quotidien quand le besoin s'en fait sentir... mais ils viendront à toi !
DM - le 03/08/2006 à 09h44
Ressourcer... rhaaa, oui, ces deux derniers jours ont été particulièrement difficiles.
En revanche, je me relis et j'ai le sentiment de juste à peine survoler les choses... m'enfin bon, en anglais, faut pas trop m'en demander... ou alros pour le prochain carnival.
En revanche, je me relis et j'ai le sentiment de juste à peine survoler les choses... m'enfin bon, en anglais, faut pas trop m'en demander... ou alros pour le prochain carnival.
Phoebe
Quelle surprise! Alors que j'étais "chez" Joanne et UV2 j'ai lu ton post et surprise je vois que tu es en France, surprise tu es unschooler, surprise encore tu cites et references les memes auteurs que je lis, surprise que tu utilises l'anglais comme moi et donc peut comprendre les nombreux ouvrages concernant le Uns, et grosse surprise tu habites Grenoble et moi vers Chambery. Comme tu le vois je suis assez surprise moi qui croyais etre une paria en France pour ne pas/plus vouloir scolariser mes enfants. Et enfin ultime surprise je vois que mon blog est dans ton blogroll. Je t'ecris un email dès maintenant.
sissi - le 03/08/2006 à 12h24
J'ai bien eu ton message en privé, j'ai manqué de temps pour y répondre.... promis, demain ou dimanche !
Ton blog est dans ma blogroll depuis peu, je crois bien l'avoir découvert via un comm' que tu as laissé chez Joanne ou quelqu'un d'autre, je ne sais plus... en tous cas j'étais contente de l'avoir découvert :)
Ton blog est dans ma blogroll depuis peu, je crois bien l'avoir découvert via un comm' que tu as laissé chez Joanne ou quelqu'un d'autre, je ne sais plus... en tous cas j'étais contente de l'avoir découvert :)
Phoebe
What a great post for the carnival! :) I really enjoyed reading your story as it's quite similar to mine as well. It's a little surreal realizing your path has been so similar to someone living on the other side of the world. LOL Merci beaucoup - il est splendide! :)
Laurie - le 05/08/2006 à 17h24
Thank you for your comment Laurie (and for writing a few words in French :p) !). It encourages me to write for the next carnival to read all these positive comments, I'm glad I finally jumped in and let go of my fears (guess why I didn't submit any post for UV # 1...).
I read your entry "Why unschooling" and we do have quite a few things in common... my mom is a teacher, I even at one point considered becoming one too (that's the job with the best compatibility with children's rythms when they are schooled :D).
I read your entry "Why unschooling" and we do have quite a few things in common... my mom is a teacher, I even at one point considered becoming one too (that's the job with the best compatibility with children's rythms when they are schooled :D).
Phoebe
About the job : of course it is... when you forget that you have to make a tremendous effort when you feel split 10 months a year betwen 250 (or less) kids a week on one side, and yours on the other side.
But as a teachers' daughter, I always felt I was lucky.
I hope my kids will too (let's just forget today !) but I know now too, thanks to Phoebe, that something else exists...
But as a teachers' daughter, I always felt I was lucky.
I hope my kids will too (let's just forget today !) but I know now too, thanks to Phoebe, that something else exists...
DM - le 06/08/2006 à 00h50
I mentioned compatibility with schooled children's rythms : it doesn't mean it's perfect and it doesn't mean you're not working and are not torn between your kids and your job. Just that with this job, you're on "holidays" (" " because I know it's not real holidays when you have to grade essays / tests etc.) when your children are : you don't have to think about who's going to take care of them during that time while you have to be at work.
{Hugs} for today...
{Hugs} for today...
Phoebe
Thanks, Phoebe!!! As I recenbtly thought again of the necessity not to interfere with the process of birth in a majority of situations, I realized it was about the same with watching little children grow without destroying their inner confidence. Being there as a possible support whenever they need one, being there and simply letting them discover what they have in them, around them and how all that could play together is what I believe now to be the right thing for me to do for my younger ones who haven't been to school yet. BUT... I'm not alone and fear of letting our children being "different" , being themselves is huge here. I hope August lets me find the right words for my DH, so we let our 6 year-old learn in freedom. And watch him as he learns...
Thanks again!
Ingrid+7